About this episode
In this wide-ranging conversation, Mark Moss joins us to unpack the forces reshaping money, technology, and power in the modern world. From his early days as a tech entrepreneur in California to becoming one of Bitcoin’s most recognized educators and investors, Mark shares the personal journey that led him into macroeconomics—and ultimately into Bitcoin.We dig into his “cycles” framework, exploring how history moves in pendulum swings between centralization and decentralization roughly every 250 years, powered by recurring political, financial, and technological shifts. Mark explains why Bitcoin and AI sit at the center of today’s “decentralized revolution,” and why AI isn’t purely centralizing or decentralizing—but both at once.The discussion then turns to the real-world implications of Bitcoin as a tool for reducing the “return on violence” compared to fiat systems, and how that changes the incentives for governments and institutions. We move deeper into the 40-year bond market cycle, the growing crisis in fixed-income markets, and why aging demographics and financial repression are pushing trillions in capital to search for a new foundation.Finally, Mark shares insights from launching a Bitcoin treasury company in the UK—Satsuma—why demand for Bitcoin-backed yield instruments is exploding, and what the future may look like as traditional finance collides with a new Bitcoin-based base layer.If you’re interested in macro, Bitcoin adoption, institutional shifts, and what comes next for global finance, this one is packed.Timestamps04:54 Mark Foss: Journey into Bitcoin and Macro Economics10:06 Cycles of Change: Understanding Economic and Technological Shifts15:11 The Dual Nature of AI: Centralization vs Decentralization19:48 The Return on Violence: Bitcoin vs Fiat24:59 The Bond Market Cycle: Implications for the Future30:00 Satsuma: Launching a Bitcoin Treasury in the UK#Bitcoin #MarkMoss #macroeconomics Subscribe to our channel and hit the bell "🔔" icon to get notifications:https://www.youtube.com/bitcoincomofficialchannel?sub_confirmation=1► Who are we?Since 2015, Bitcoin.com has been a global leader in introducing newcomers to crypto. We make it easy for anyone to buy, spend, trade, invest, earn, and stay up-to-date on cryptocurrency and the future of finance. Our mission is to help everyone take ownership of their Bitcoin and their financial future.Buy, sell, trade, earn, use, and learn crypto with the Bitcoin.com Wallet:https://branch.wallet.bitcoin.com/I1dhGnyGNpbStay informed with timely and objective crypto, published daily:https://news.bitcoin.com/Get educated with up-to-date content from Bitcoin.com’s learning center:https://www.bitcoin.com/get-started/Trade permissionlessly on Bitcoin.com's decentralized Verse DEX where you can also earn yield:https://verse.bitcoin.com/► What is Verse?VERSE, which launched in December 2022, is Bitcoin.com’s rewards and utility token. Get VERSE for free in the Bitcoin.com Wallet app, and use it to earn Bitcoin and other rewards.—Join our community and follow us for updates ⬇️►X: https://x.com/Bitcoincom►X News Account: https://x.com/bitcoinnews►Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bitcoin.com_official/►Discord: https://discord.gg/hux4sugcQS►Telegram: https://t.me/GetVerse►LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/bitcoin.com/►Linkedin News Account: https://www.linkedin.com/company/bitcoin-com-news/
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Dec 8, 2025
